1 00:00:10,710 --> 00:00:13,045 RADIO HOST 1: The New York Times, 2 00:00:13,047 --> 00:00:15,180 this past Sunday, there was an article about 3 00:00:15,182 --> 00:00:18,117 the first black punk rock group called Death in the '70s. 4 00:00:18,119 --> 00:00:20,552 And they found these old recordings. 5 00:00:20,554 --> 00:00:22,721 And they have an album that they put out now. 6 00:00:22,723 --> 00:00:25,891 They have pictures of these guys back in the '70s. One of them died. 7 00:00:25,893 --> 00:00:29,228 And now I'm dying to hear this fucking group's mus. 8 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:30,996 Should be good. RADIO HOST 2: What were they called? 9 00:00:30,998 --> 00:00:33,832 RADIO HOST 1: They were called Death. RADIO HOST 3: Death. 10 00:00:44,277 --> 00:00:46,879 (WHERE DO WE GO FROM HER? PLAYING) 11 00:00:58,758 --> 00:01:02,961 HENRY ROLLINS: The quick version of the Death story is almost like the tease 12 00:01:02,963 --> 00:01:04,630 at the beginning of a movie trailer. 13 00:01:04,632 --> 00:01:07,833 Three black guys, in the '70s, 14 00:01:07,835 --> 00:01:10,803 from Detroit, Michigan, blood brothers. 15 00:01:10,805 --> 00:01:16,075 Three black cats from Detroit, played heavy, punk, rock 'n' roll. 16 00:01:16,077 --> 00:01:18,977 ALICE COOPER: It's pretty hard to be black playing rock in Detroit. 17 00:01:18,979 --> 00:01:20,913 'Cause they were sort of stereotyped into... 18 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:22,815 You had to be Motown, if you were black. 19 00:01:26,653 --> 00:01:29,688 Death's music was definitely ahead of its time. 20 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:32,791 They really predated what we know as the punk movement. 21 00:01:34,727 --> 00:01:37,663 Nobody was making music like that in '73. 22 00:01:37,665 --> 00:01:41,333 They have to be properly credited as being visionaries. 23 00:01:41,335 --> 00:01:44,069 (SINGING) 24 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:50,275 ELIJAH WOOD: You have a record that is so perfect in its innovation, 25 00:01:50,277 --> 00:01:51,877 it makes it all the more shocking 26 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:54,346 that it didn't manage to find a way to come out then. 27 00:01:56,349 --> 00:01:58,917 They're kind of like the Unknown Soldiers of rock. 28 00:01:58,919 --> 00:02:01,954 BEN BLACKWELL: They were recordings that were simply put away. 29 00:02:01,956 --> 00:02:06,558 There's been hardcore history sitting up in that attic, and no one's known about it. 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,595 Thirty years after the fact, we're just now discovering this band 31 00:02:09,597 --> 00:02:11,997 that had been sort of lying in wait. 32 00:02:18,404 --> 00:02:21,607 It's such a great story and it's, uh... 33 00:02:22,842 --> 00:02:24,243 It's punk rock. 34 00:03:40,787 --> 00:03:43,822 Welcome to my neighborhood. 2240 Lillibridge. 35 00:03:43,824 --> 00:03:45,724 This is where Death was born. 36 00:03:47,126 --> 00:03:50,596 This is our old friend... No. 37 00:03:50,598 --> 00:03:53,065 ...that we grew up with. This is Kathleen. She lives right here. 38 00:03:53,067 --> 00:03:56,435 They telling the story about Death. Okay. 39 00:03:56,437 --> 00:03:57,836 You remember Death. I'm still here. 40 00:03:57,838 --> 00:03:59,972 No! 41 00:03:59,974 --> 00:04:02,774 They telling the story about our old band 42 00:04:02,776 --> 00:04:05,711 that we used to drive you all crazy with all of our loud music. 43 00:04:05,713 --> 00:04:07,946 Yeah, I remember that. 44 00:04:07,948 --> 00:04:09,681 I remember that, yes. 45 00:04:12,051 --> 00:04:13,418 Oh, yeah, there you go! 46 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:16,121 (ALL LAUGHING) 47 00:04:18,358 --> 00:04:21,126 David... David... You know what? 48 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:28,333 But you know what? That was my boy, though. That was my boy. 49 00:04:28,335 --> 00:04:30,002 He was all right. 50 00:04:30,004 --> 00:04:31,903 My name is Dannis Hackney. 51 00:04:31,905 --> 00:04:35,140 I played the drums, and I was born and raised 52 00:04:35,142 --> 00:04:37,876 in the Motor City, Detroit, Michigan. 53 00:04:37,878 --> 00:04:40,045 Well, I remember when I... You all were teenagers, uh... 54 00:04:40,047 --> 00:04:41,913 DANNIS: That's right. That's very right. 55 00:04:41,915 --> 00:04:43,415 Yeah. Right, yeah? 56 00:04:43,417 --> 00:04:46,618 I'm Bobby Hackney. I am a bass player. 57 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,888 My parents, Earl Vonlee Hackney 58 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:53,025 and Majora Florida Hackney, two beautiful people. 59 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:04,336 I was the youngest o, uh, four boys. 60 00:05:04,338 --> 00:05:07,472 Our oldest brothe was Earl. 61 00:05:07,474 --> 00:05:11,376 David was born the second And then it was Dannis. 62 00:05:11,378 --> 00:05:14,479 And, um, I came along. 63 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:15,947 EARL JR.: I am indeed the eldest, 64 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:19,418 and that was ingrained in them also, because I'd say, 65 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:23,488 "Never forget, I'm second in command to Moms and Pop." 66 00:05:29,929 --> 00:05:33,965 DANNIS: Spirituality plays into our life right from the beginning of our roots. 67 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:37,402 You know, our dad was a Baptist minister. 68 00:05:37,404 --> 00:05:38,637 We're preacher's sons. 69 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:41,106 (LAUGHS) 70 00:05:41,108 --> 00:05:43,842 EARL JR.: Being a minister's kid taught us the Word, 71 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:45,377 from Genesis to Revelation. 72 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:48,180 I mean, we all became versed in the Word. 73 00:05:48,182 --> 00:05:49,848 BOBBY: He always told us, you kno, 74 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:51,917 if you try your best in e to keep your promise to d 75 00:05:51,919 --> 00:05:56,488 and give God time enough to keep His promise to you. 76 00:05:56,490 --> 00:06:00,759 DANNIS: My old man instilled into us to back up your brother. 77 00:06:00,761 --> 00:06:03,729 So all of our lives we grew up with this idea 78 00:06:03,731 --> 00:06:06,365 that, you know, we gotta back up your brother. 79 00:06:06,367 --> 00:06:09,868 We made a pact with each other that we would never fight, 80 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,537 we would never do anything to hurt each other. 81 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,272 We were all close. 82 00:06:14,274 --> 00:06:18,443 I mean, we all were very, very close. 83 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:21,079 BOBBY: Moms, you got so many grandchildren, you can't keep up now. 84 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:22,247 MAJORA: I don't try. 85 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:23,682 (ALL LAUGHING) 86 00:06:25,585 --> 00:06:28,954 I got eight kids. I'm proud of every one of them. 87 00:06:28,956 --> 00:06:30,889 BOBBY: That's right. That's right. 88 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:33,158 Love every one of them. 89 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,326 Your son, David... 90 00:06:34,328 --> 00:06:35,527 BOBBY: You're gonna see everybody came... 91 00:06:35,529 --> 00:06:37,596 I don't know what David's doing up there, 92 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:39,631 but there's a lot of good things going on 93 00:06:39,633 --> 00:06:41,867 in our lives, because of all his things. 94 00:06:41,869 --> 00:06:43,001 Um, yeah. 95 00:06:43,003 --> 00:06:44,069 It is. 96 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:47,172 Yeah, I know that out of... David... 97 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:49,474 We talk about Dave all the time. 98 00:06:49,476 --> 00:06:51,309 I know. You said... I know. 99 00:06:51,311 --> 00:06:53,879 You know, me and Viv, we talk about Dave. 100 00:06:53,881 --> 00:06:54,946 Yeah. 101 00:06:54,948 --> 00:06:56,782 Some of the things he did. 102 00:06:56,784 --> 00:06:59,651 Oh! (ALL LAUGH) 103 00:06:59,653 --> 00:07:01,787 DANNIS: I mean, we were kind of crazy kids. 104 00:07:01,789 --> 00:07:04,122 We thought of some games that was really weird. 105 00:07:04,124 --> 00:07:07,726 I remember one time we was having a squirt gun fight. 106 00:07:07,728 --> 00:07:10,829 You know, Dave hid behind the garage and pissed in his. 107 00:07:10,831 --> 00:07:14,032 (LAUGHS) 108 00:07:14,034 --> 00:07:17,536 You know, just... Just some of Dave's pranks, you know. 109 00:07:17,538 --> 00:07:19,671 EARL JR.: David was kind of creative when it comes to the... 110 00:07:19,673 --> 00:07:21,740 I mean, he would put together some makeshift stuff 111 00:07:21,742 --> 00:07:25,143 that just would work that... That you wouldn't believe. 112 00:07:25,145 --> 00:07:26,578 (LAUGHS) 113 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:28,914 DANNIS: He took the telephone one time 114 00:07:28,916 --> 00:07:31,216 and pulled wires and he pinched wires, 115 00:07:31,218 --> 00:07:34,119 and the next thing you know, you pick up the phone, it's.. 116 00:07:34,121 --> 00:07:37,489 (ECHOING) Hello. 117 00:07:37,491 --> 00:07:39,724 (LAUGHS) 118 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:42,194 And, you know, we actually have tapes of this. 119 00:07:42,196 --> 00:07:45,764 David used that to scare people. 120 00:07:45,766 --> 00:07:47,866 (DIALING) 121 00:07:51,737 --> 00:07:53,338 (LINE RINGING) 122 00:07:54,574 --> 00:07:56,241 (MAN SPEAKING) 123 00:07:56,243 --> 00:07:58,243 (DAVID'S VOICE ECHOING) 124 00:08:00,446 --> 00:08:02,113 (MAN SPEAKING) 125 00:08:04,650 --> 00:08:06,351 (DAVID SPEAKING) 126 00:08:08,955 --> 00:08:10,489 (MAN SPEAKING) 127 00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:12,157 (DAVID SPEAKING) 128 00:08:15,862 --> 00:08:17,329 (MAN SPEAKING) 129 00:08:18,097 --> 00:08:19,397 (DAVID SCREAMS) 130 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,032 (DIAL TONE BEEPING) 131 00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:22,701 (WOMAN SPEAKING) 132 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:28,740 (DAVID SPEAKING) 133 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:31,977 (WOMAN SPEAKING) 134 00:08:36,315 --> 00:08:38,016 (MOTOWN PLAYING) 135 00:08:41,554 --> 00:08:43,688 BOBBY: Uh, growing up in Detroit... 136 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:47,559 It was just a... It was a great time. It was that Motown time. 137 00:08:47,561 --> 00:08:52,898 You know, that real time when Motown was churning out all those amazing hits. 138 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:56,167 You know, it was jussuch a bustling to. 139 00:09:03,342 --> 00:09:06,444 Well, the presence of music, that all started with my mom and dad. 140 00:09:06,446 --> 00:09:08,113 They were always music fans. 141 00:09:08,115 --> 00:09:09,180 (ALL CHATTERING) 142 00:09:09,182 --> 00:09:11,516 Just in right here, 143 00:09:11,518 --> 00:09:13,752 my mother used to have a little clock radio, 144 00:09:13,754 --> 00:09:16,955 little gray radio right in that corner over there. 145 00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:19,791 Every morning we would sit at the table, 146 00:09:19,793 --> 00:09:22,861 eating breakfast, listening to CKLW. 147 00:09:22,863 --> 00:09:24,296 MAN: All right. 148 00:09:24,298 --> 00:09:25,764 And they played everything. 149 00:09:25,766 --> 00:09:27,198 MAN: Mmm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day. 150 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,568 Aretha Franklin, Bob Seger. 151 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:31,636 And I'm thankful to my mom and dad, 152 00:09:31,638 --> 00:09:34,806 'cause they never held us back from listening to music. 153 00:09:34,808 --> 00:09:38,376 They would always tell us, "Enjoy everything." 154 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:40,845 DANNIS: There's so many people who brought music into the house. 155 00:09:40,847 --> 00:09:43,448 I mean, it was my d who sat us down 156 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:45,584 and made us watch the Beatles. 157 00:09:46,819 --> 00:09:48,987 BOBBY: The minute I saw Paul McCartney 158 00:09:48,989 --> 00:09:51,489 singing and playing that Beatle bass, you know, 159 00:09:51,491 --> 00:09:54,125 I wanted to play bass and still wanted to sing. 160 00:09:54,127 --> 00:09:58,296 Then David tuned in to John Lennon playing the guitar and... 161 00:09:58,298 --> 00:10:00,231 And it was David who rallied us to, you know, 162 00:10:00,233 --> 00:10:02,133 be a band and get together and... 163 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:03,969 And that made him the leader. 164 00:10:03,971 --> 00:10:05,937 BOBBY: That's your first drum. This is my first drum. 165 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:09,174 MAN: What? Jesus Christ. Very first drum. 166 00:10:09,176 --> 00:10:12,644 (LAUGHS) Right here. 167 00:10:12,646 --> 00:10:15,146 So I used to put two knives, two butter knives, on here 168 00:10:15,148 --> 00:10:17,182 to make it sound like a snare. 169 00:10:17,184 --> 00:10:19,651 DANNIS: One time we had some good luck in our family 170 00:10:19,653 --> 00:10:22,487 and our mother got a settlement from a car accident. 171 00:10:22,489 --> 00:10:24,856 And suddenly we had some money. 172 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:29,361 And she gave us kind of a choice of what we wanted to do. 173 00:10:29,363 --> 00:10:33,498 First thing we did was went to Manny's Music, man. 174 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:35,533 Manny's Music! 175 00:10:38,938 --> 00:10:42,440 BOBBY: I bought a Rickenbacker guitar and a Fender guitar. 176 00:10:42,442 --> 00:10:45,443 David bought a brand-new Fender guitar. 177 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:48,046 Bob went and bought himself an acoustic amplifier, 178 00:10:48,048 --> 00:10:51,549 so I had to have the best drums I could find. 179 00:10:51,551 --> 00:10:54,953 I went and bought me a Slingerland set of drums. 180 00:10:54,955 --> 00:10:58,790 BOBBY: I had a bass, Dannis had some drums, David, his guitar. 181 00:10:59,859 --> 00:11:01,526 We started jamming together. 182 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:04,029 MAN 1: Here we go. 183 00:11:05,064 --> 00:11:07,265 MAN 2: One, two, three, four! 184 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:10,235 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 185 00:11:10,237 --> 00:11:12,137 BOBBY: The first band that we formed as brothers 186 00:11:12,139 --> 00:11:16,775 was called Rock Fire Funk Express. 'Cause at that time we wasn't sure 187 00:11:16,777 --> 00:11:19,110 whether we wanted to be a funk band or a rock band. 188 00:11:19,112 --> 00:11:20,812 (MUSIC CONTINUES) 189 00:11:25,885 --> 00:11:29,320 DANNIS: Rock with a fire, you know, add a little funk in there 190 00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:31,489 and just keep on going, like an express. 191 00:11:31,491 --> 00:11:32,624 (LAUGHS) 192 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:40,131 But then the Who came to town. 193 00:11:40,133 --> 00:11:43,268 And when Dave went down to see them, 194 00:11:43,270 --> 00:11:45,570 he was like, "That's it." 195 00:11:45,572 --> 00:11:49,374 You know, "We gotta play this music. This is the music we gotta play." 196 00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:51,242 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 197 00:11:55,981 --> 00:11:58,550 David, every time I would leave, man, 198 00:11:58,552 --> 00:12:01,352 he would have that stuff playing. 199 00:12:01,354 --> 00:12:04,089 He'd just be laying there, listening. 200 00:12:04,091 --> 00:12:07,125 And then I'd come back and the same thing would be playing. 201 00:12:08,961 --> 00:12:10,595 DANNIS: You know, when I saw Alice Cooper, 202 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:13,198 it was like, you know, "All bets are off, man." 203 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,735 To me, if we ain't playing this, then I ain't gonna be having no fun. 204 00:12:19,939 --> 00:12:21,973 BOBBY: Rock 'n' roll just kind of... 205 00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:24,509 We just kind of immersed ourselves in . 206 00:12:24,511 --> 00:12:27,645 That's what David called it, he said, "It's pure rock 'n' roll, man." 207 00:12:27,647 --> 00:12:30,115 Not like a lot... You're gonna have your one hit, 208 00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:34,986 but the pure rock 'n' roll is what they don't play over the radio, you know? 209 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:37,188 That's what David always said. 210 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:40,391 MAN: (ON RECORDING) One, two, three, now! 211 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,561 (BASS GUITAR STRUMMING) 212 00:12:45,965 --> 00:12:49,734 This is the room where Death was born. 213 00:12:49,736 --> 00:12:51,369 Look at this door, right here. 214 00:12:51,371 --> 00:12:53,671 Only something like this could come from the mind of my brother. 215 00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:57,909 That's David's thing, right there, man. MAN: Oh, yeah! 216 00:12:57,911 --> 00:12:59,844 BOBBY: We used to play. 217 00:12:59,846 --> 00:13:03,314 This was my station, over here. David was right over here. 218 00:13:07,686 --> 00:13:10,054 And this was all Dannis' drums. 219 00:13:12,725 --> 00:13:17,162 And then we had our PAs. We just gutted the whole room. 220 00:13:17,164 --> 00:13:22,734 And we just made it into this little rock 'n' roll haven. 221 00:13:22,736 --> 00:13:27,238 If it wasn't for our mom... She let us turn our whole entire room 222 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,141 into a workroom for music. 223 00:13:30,143 --> 00:13:33,444 DANNIS: She got behind everything we wanted to do. 224 00:13:33,446 --> 00:13:37,081 While I'm on camera, I'm gonna say, "Thank you, Mom. Thank you." 225 00:13:37,083 --> 00:13:38,950 BOBBY: And she just made an agreement with us. 226 00:13:38,952 --> 00:13:40,618 She said, "Hey, look, 3:00 to 6:00 is your time. 227 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:43,087 "After 6:00, you gotta cut it off." 228 00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:46,825 MAN: (ON RECORDING) All right now, here we go. We're gonna get this right. 229 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:48,459 One, two, three! 230 00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:50,261 (PUNK MUSIC PLAYING) 231 00:13:52,798 --> 00:13:55,800 David, he could practice for hours 232 00:13:55,802 --> 00:13:58,169 and hours and hours, literally. 233 00:14:02,341 --> 00:14:04,976 BOBBY: He got to the point to where he played along 234 00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:07,912 with just about every album that was in our collection. 235 00:14:07,914 --> 00:14:11,583 So he was learning Queen, he was learning the Who. 236 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:17,055 David had a slogan. He said, "If I could play chords like Peter Townsend 237 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:20,725 "and play lead like Jimi Hendrix, 238 00:14:20,727 --> 00:14:23,461 "I am the ideal guitar player." 239 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:25,763 David's amp was always positioned right here, 240 00:14:25,765 --> 00:14:27,098 because he liked it like that... 241 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,668 So he could, you know, roust up the neighbors. 242 00:14:33,172 --> 00:14:36,207 And then there was like a... Some girls... 243 00:14:36,209 --> 00:14:39,377 We'd be practicing so loud, that after we're done with a song, 244 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:42,847 we could hear all this loud knocking on the door. 245 00:14:42,849 --> 00:14:44,916 And that was them trying to get in. 246 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:49,988 One day this transpired and David started playing these riffs, you know? 247 00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:52,123 (KEEP ON KNOCKIPLAYING) 248 00:14:55,027 --> 00:14:58,396 You know, we just came up with the words right then and there, you know? 249 00:14:58,398 --> 00:14:59,464 "Keep on knockin'." 250 00:14:59,466 --> 00:15:02,033 "Keep on knockin'," you know? 251 00:15:02,035 --> 00:15:04,202 (SONG PLAYING) 252 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:15,446 EARL JR.: (LAUGHING) And then they're playing in the house, 253 00:15:15,448 --> 00:15:17,282 and, oh, man, they were... 254 00:15:17,284 --> 00:15:20,652 They sent people down the street holding their head. 255 00:15:23,555 --> 00:15:26,457 DANNIS: You know, we would start to practice and the doors would slam 256 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:28,092 and the cop s would pull u, 257 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:30,528 because we know y called them on u. 258 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:32,830 BOBBY: See, we grew up in the black community, so... 259 00:15:32,832 --> 00:15:34,532 At that time people were tuning into, like, 260 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:36,200 groups like Earth, Wind and Fire. 261 00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:39,771 DANNIS: And, you know, here we are in the middle of all of this 262 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,673 playing rock 'n' roll. 263 00:15:41,675 --> 00:15:45,576 And, I mean, it was just... It wasn't a rock 'n' roll culture. 264 00:15:45,578 --> 00:15:47,245 White boy music! 265 00:15:52,418 --> 00:15:55,219 I mean, the more people tried to talk to us about changing, 266 00:15:55,221 --> 00:15:58,790 I think the deeper we went into rock 'n' roll. 267 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:00,591 MAN: One, two, three, now! 268 00:16:00,593 --> 00:16:02,860 (ROCK-N-ROLL VICTIPLAYING) 269 00:16:10,202 --> 00:16:12,804 (SINGING) 270 00:16:20,512 --> 00:16:23,114 All of that is pure anger. 271 00:16:23,116 --> 00:16:27,618 We are fighting with the neighbors to maintain our identity. 272 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:31,956 And we would not be not heard, especially with David. 273 00:16:31,958 --> 00:16:34,792 (LAUGHING) And people were running around, 274 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:37,261 "Turn it down! Turn it down!" 275 00:16:50,209 --> 00:16:55,046 BOBBY: My dad, Earl V. Hackney, died. 276 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:59,884 Though it was an accident, I think it impressed us a lot in our lives 277 00:16:59,886 --> 00:17:04,689 from then on, when they described to us how he died. 278 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,391 DANNIS: He was an electric lineman, 279 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:10,061 so his job was to climb up the poles, fix the wires. 280 00:17:10,063 --> 00:17:12,530 I guess he had a trainee with him one night. 281 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:18,102 And this trainee, I guess, stuck his screwdriver in the wrong place. 282 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:22,140 And he got shocked, and it threw him off the pole. 283 00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:25,576 So my dad races down the pole, you know, 284 00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:27,311 throws him in the back of the car... 285 00:17:27,313 --> 00:17:29,514 And they take off for the hospital. 286 00:17:29,516 --> 00:17:33,751 But just so happened, a bar was letting out. 287 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:36,554 And there was a person who was drunk behind the wheel 288 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:39,657 and they swung right out in front of him. 289 00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:44,262 And he slammed right into her and he died instantly. 290 00:17:52,204 --> 00:17:56,340 BOBBY: I mean, the last thing that he did before he left this world was a noble deed. 291 00:17:56,342 --> 00:17:58,576 He was trying to help someone. 292 00:18:09,121 --> 00:18:12,390 BOBBY: I think when my dad died, 293 00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:17,728 it had really a big effect on David, as it did all of us. 294 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:21,999 Um, and David became obsessed 295 00:18:22,001 --> 00:18:25,570 with a lot of spirituality. 296 00:18:25,572 --> 00:18:31,142 Seeing our dad at a funeral, I think really was for the first time 297 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:37,148 that we was up close and personal with dying, 298 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:39,851 and the fact that someone that you love... 299 00:18:39,853 --> 00:18:43,020 You're never gonna see this person in this existence. 300 00:18:43,022 --> 00:18:47,191 And that, I think, had a big effect on all of us, 301 00:18:47,193 --> 00:18:49,527 but on David probably the most. 302 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:57,335 DANNIS: Bobby was in school, I was at work. 303 00:18:57,337 --> 00:19:00,071 So when we get home, David says, 304 00:19:00,073 --> 00:19:04,976 "Man, I got this great, great new idea for the name of the band." 305 00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:08,012 So he holds us in suspense. Let's run up to the room 306 00:19:08,014 --> 00:19:11,516 and find out what this great name is that David then came up with. 307 00:19:12,484 --> 00:19:14,886 We're waiting with much suspense. 308 00:19:14,888 --> 00:19:19,190 And as soon as he says, "Yeah, this is the name, dude. Death." 309 00:19:21,927 --> 00:19:25,463 Death. Oh, man. 310 00:19:25,465 --> 00:19:29,600 DANNIS: So me and Bobby just kind of looked at each other as if to say, 311 00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:33,271 "This dude's gone way off the deep end." 312 00:19:33,273 --> 00:19:35,673 I know what I would do if somebody came up to me 313 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:38,142 talking about their band, the name of their band was Death. 314 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:41,579 I'd be like, "You don't wanna... No, I don't wanna hear it." 315 00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:43,447 DANNIS: But there again, that old thing 316 00:19:43,449 --> 00:19:45,249 in the back of your head kicks in. 317 00:19:45,251 --> 00:19:48,519 "Back up your brother. Back up your brother." 318 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:52,023 BOBBY: And David always said that our name would have shock val. 319 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:53,591 And we're like, "Why would you say that?" 320 00:19:53,593 --> 00:19:57,128 He says, "Because death is real." 321 00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:59,797 DANNIS: He had so much conviction, so much belief, 322 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:03,034 until we just went along with it. 323 00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:07,872 And that was right around the spring of 1974. 324 00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:10,474 Yeah, that's when we became Death. 325 00:20:10,476 --> 00:20:11,676 MAN: (ON RECORDING) Death! 326 00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:13,878 (LET THE WORLD TURPLAYING) 327 00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:30,461 (SINGING) 328 00:20:47,613 --> 00:20:53,851 This picture right here was taken in 1975. 329 00:20:55,454 --> 00:20:59,624 And from our mother's back yard in Detroit. 330 00:20:59,626 --> 00:21:03,194 David looked up into the sky and he saw a triangle. 331 00:21:03,196 --> 00:21:05,529 As you can see, there's a triangle right there. 332 00:21:06,365 --> 00:21:11,669 And also there's a face. 333 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:16,941 David said that that was the face of God watching over the triangle. 334 00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:20,111 And he used to tell us that was a message to us, you know. 335 00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:24,415 Hey, this is what Dave was in tune to. This is what he was all about. 336 00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:48,439 DANNIS: David wanted to put a positive spin on death. 337 00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:50,675 It's kind of like birth 338 00:21:50,677 --> 00:21:54,145 It's not a good or a bad thing, it's just a thing. 339 00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:57,148 BOBBY: Yeah, well, see, this right here was David's concept. 340 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:59,483 He calls it the death triangle. 341 00:21:59,485 --> 00:22:04,922 And what it basically means is the three elements of life, 342 00:22:04,924 --> 00:22:10,161 which is spiritual, mental, physical. 343 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:15,299 And this right here means that's the guiding spirit. 344 00:22:15,301 --> 00:22:19,704 And that's what David said. This right here is God. 345 00:22:19,706 --> 00:22:23,407 DANNIS: The stuff that used to come out of his head was just so, you know, 346 00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:27,011 it was original, but, you know, when you first heard it, 347 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:28,946 it just sounded crazy. 348 00:22:49,668 --> 00:22:52,436 DAVID: (ECHOING) The ultimate trip. 349 00:22:54,306 --> 00:22:55,639 Death. 350 00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:03,147 DANNIS: David... 351 00:23:03,149 --> 00:23:06,550 Okay, since he's proclaiming the leader of the band... 352 00:23:06,552 --> 00:23:11,489 We said, "David, we need a contract." Okay? 353 00:23:11,491 --> 00:23:16,560 So, well, David takes the yellow pages, nails it to the wall 354 00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:19,430 and go gets a dart. 355 00:23:19,432 --> 00:23:23,134 He opens it to the music section, 356 00:23:23,136 --> 00:23:27,938 where you have all your producers and music offices and... 357 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:32,042 He opens the yellow pages, nails it to the wall, takes the dart... 358 00:23:33,645 --> 00:23:37,348 And the dart lands on Groovesville Production 359 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:40,484 He said, "Those are the guys we're gonna call." 360 00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:50,327 DANNIS: There's Groovesville Productions. 361 00:23:51,663 --> 00:23:54,365 I always remember these yellow bricks, 362 00:23:54,367 --> 00:23:57,802 'cause this is where the studio was. 363 00:23:57,804 --> 00:24:01,071 DANNIS: Now, Groovesville, they were a production compan 364 00:24:01,073 --> 00:24:06,677 that handled people like Johnnie Taylor, The Dramatics. 365 00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:10,080 And their CEO was Don Davi, 366 00:24:10,082 --> 00:24:14,084 who was just a Detroit music mogul. 367 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:16,854 Hello. My name is Don Davis. 368 00:24:18,056 --> 00:24:21,826 I am a record producer. 369 00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:24,795 I am a music publisher. 370 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:29,033 And I am a studio owner. 371 00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:34,805 And just more recently, I am the proud owner 372 00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:38,442 of First Independence National Bank. 373 00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:41,045 DANNIS: Maybe we should knock on the door and just... 374 00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:42,346 Yeah. 375 00:24:42,348 --> 00:24:45,115 The Hackney brothers came in to my office, 376 00:24:45,117 --> 00:24:49,520 because before you get to Don Davis, the producer, 377 00:24:49,522 --> 00:24:52,456 you had to come through the Groovesville office, 378 00:24:52,458 --> 00:24:54,692 which was my domain. 379 00:24:55,894 --> 00:24:58,429 Hey, how you doing? 380 00:24:58,431 --> 00:25:01,165 I met the Hackney brothers. 381 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:06,537 And played me some demos that I just thought were absolutely wonderful. 382 00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:08,806 BOBBY: This was Brian Spears' office, wasn't it? 383 00:25:08,808 --> 00:25:13,811 This is the room where Death auditioned for Brian Spears. 384 00:25:13,813 --> 00:25:15,179 This is the room. 385 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:16,480 Still got the original furniture. 386 00:25:16,482 --> 00:25:20,017 He had the tape... On this shelf... 387 00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,485 On this shelf 388 00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:24,622 he had the reel-to-reel tape. 389 00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:30,528 And Brian sat in this... At this desk. 390 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:34,398 SPEARS: I was just blown away by the energy of David Hackney. 391 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,336 He just knew that this is what their destiny was gonna be. 392 00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:43,474 DANNIS: Through a couple of auditions, we ended up signing with them. 393 00:25:43,476 --> 00:25:47,478 And it just so happens that they was running the stellar, 394 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,383 legendary recording studio of Detroit called United Sounds. 395 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:56,086 I mean, if you were a musician in Detroit, you knew about United Sounds. 396 00:25:56,088 --> 00:25:58,956 SPEARS: Let's see, I can tell you the exact date they were in the studio. 397 00:25:58,958 --> 00:26:00,925 They were in the studio 398 00:26:00,927 --> 00:26:07,197 February the 18th, it was a Wednesday, in 1975. 399 00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:11,368 "Death and Legacy are in the studio cutting." 400 00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:13,504 (LAUGHS) It's right here. 401 00:26:15,206 --> 00:26:16,840 BOBBY: We used to just love to come here, man. 402 00:26:16,842 --> 00:26:21,612 This is where we spent the entire summer of 1975. 403 00:26:21,614 --> 00:26:24,782 We spent it right around, in and around this building, 404 00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:27,851 recording that Death album. 405 00:26:27,853 --> 00:26:30,321 The moment that that band 406 00:26:31,556 --> 00:26:36,093 fired up those instruments, it was just amazing. 407 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:37,161 MAN: One, two, three, now! 408 00:26:37,163 --> 00:26:38,963 (PUNK MUSIC PLAYING) 409 00:26:46,237 --> 00:26:49,540 I think with every song that they played, 410 00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:53,410 the energy level just kept growing and growing, 411 00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:55,679 because they just wanted to show 412 00:26:55,681 --> 00:27:02,453 every bit of talent that they had on every song. 413 00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:04,855 (POLITICIANS IN MY EYES PLAYING) 414 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,001 SPEARS: It was amazing to me, 415 00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:22,306 to see such young players 416 00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:25,442 have so much to say through their music. 417 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:53,904 BOBBY: Course, we were the loudest thing that they'd ever seen. 418 00:27:53,906 --> 00:27:56,774 David, he went in there and he showed them 419 00:27:56,776 --> 00:27:58,976 what his double-stacked Marshalls could do. 420 00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:00,044 Yeah. 421 00:28:00,046 --> 00:28:03,480 And they were like, "Okay, we hear it. 422 00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:04,715 "Please turn it down." 423 00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:06,150 (LAUGHS) 424 00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,518 Exactly. 425 00:28:36,781 --> 00:28:39,616 SPEARS: Once we were pretty much happy with the mixes, 426 00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:43,921 I grabbed Don Davis and I said to Don, 427 00:28:43,923 --> 00:28:46,957 "Look, you... You've gotta listen to these guys." 428 00:28:46,959 --> 00:28:51,929 I'm like, "Brian, have you lost your mind? 429 00:28:53,164 --> 00:28:57,501 "Nobody is goin to buy a song 430 00:28:57,503 --> 00:29:00,871 "on a group called D-E-A-T-H. 431 00:29:02,774 --> 00:29:04,875 "What's the matter with you?" 432 00:29:04,877 --> 00:29:12,249 (STAMMERING) I know the name is gonna be a drawback, 433 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:16,987 but, you know, I convinced Don that on his next trip, we need to start 434 00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:21,325 showing the group around. 435 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:26,363 BOBBY: We got turned down by every major label in the UK. 436 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,034 'Cause, I mean, we had gotten a rejection letter 437 00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:33,570 that said we tried all these labels. 438 00:29:33,572 --> 00:29:37,374 He says, "As far as I'm concerned, don't even look anymore." 439 00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:40,477 DANNIS: He went all the way pretty much around the wor440 00:29:40,479 --> 00:29:42,412 looking for a contra. 441 00:29:42,414 --> 00:29:44,248 Everybody turned us down. 442 00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:48,652 The name had really seemed to be a roadblock. 443 00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:56,293 So I got this 444 00:29:56,295 --> 00:30:00,164 setting with Clive Davis. 445 00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:03,700 And it caused a very interesting stir, 446 00:30:03,702 --> 00:30:05,969 because they were really focused on this record, 447 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:08,005 and they wanted to get involved in it. 448 00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:12,976 The first reaction was, "Hey, this... You know, great stuff." 449 00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:17,514 Possibly we may be on the brink of a deal, 450 00:30:17,516 --> 00:30:19,750 but there's one sticking point. 451 00:30:19,752 --> 00:30:23,854 Clive Davis expressed that he really didn't car 452 00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:25,689 for the name of the band. 453 00:30:25,691 --> 00:30:29,793 Brian had told us, he says, "You guys might have a record deal, uh, 454 00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:32,729 "if you are willing to change the name." 455 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:38,635 DANNIS: That sent David into another play 456 00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:40,838 because he had his Death concec457 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,006 and the concept went with the nae 458 00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:47,277 and the band went with the concept, and nothing could change! 459 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,349 BOBBY: David, in no uncertain terms, just said, "Tell Clive Davis to go to hell." 460 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:57,221 DANNIS: Okay, so David, our illustrious leader, turned the deal down. 461 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:04,361 When that came out of David's mouth, 462 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,598 me and Bob had nothing coming out of ours. 463 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,032 We were flabbergasted. 464 00:31:09,034 --> 00:31:11,301 Even though we didn't agree with it, 465 00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:15,272 in public, back up your brother. 466 00:31:15,274 --> 00:31:18,876 But in private, we had a bitter argument about that. 467 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:22,246 "Listen, man, these guys wanna give us a $20,000 contract." 468 00:31:22,248 --> 00:31:25,482 And in the '70s, you know, that's a pretty big contra. 469 00:31:25,484 --> 00:31:27,918 We could've actually just went ahead and changed the name. 470 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,588 I mean, how many times we gonna get a contract like this? 471 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:33,857 And, you know, then Dave got mad at us. 472 00:31:37,028 --> 00:31:42,065 If we give them the title to our band, 473 00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:45,435 Dave said you might as well give them everything else. 474 00:31:45,437 --> 00:31:48,538 DANNIS: He always believed in the music, and I have to admit, 475 00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:51,108 a bit more than me or Bob did, 476 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:54,711 because, you know, we were willing to make concessions. 477 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:57,714 Dave was absolutely not. 478 00:31:57,716 --> 00:32:02,786 And he stuck to his guns. He stuck to his guns, man. 479 00:32:02,788 --> 00:32:05,956 Yeah, I would've changed it in a split second. 480 00:32:06,658 --> 00:32:08,458 Okay, I would have. 481 00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:13,964 But my spirit was telling me, "Go with your brother." 482 00:32:18,336 --> 00:32:21,505 You know, we just went in the office one day and.. 483 00:32:21,507 --> 00:32:27,311 Brian told us that Don has decided to put a release on us. 484 00:32:27,313 --> 00:32:29,346 David just stood there and calmly asked them, 485 00:32:29,348 --> 00:32:31,281 he says, "Can I have the masters?" 486 00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:33,483 (LAUGHS) 487 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:35,953 "Why not just give us our music and let us walk?" 488 00:32:35,955 --> 00:32:38,288 And Brian said, "Hey, no problem" 489 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:42,125 SPEARS: And I was able to arrange to get the masters 490 00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,194 turned back over to the group. 491 00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:46,697 So we took those master tapes that he gave us 492 00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:51,468 and we printed up 500 45s. 493 00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:01,044 BOBBY: And the reason we pressed those 500, 494 00:33:01,046 --> 00:33:04,247 'cause we wanted to get radio airplay. 495 00:33:04,249 --> 00:33:08,518 And it was frustrating, because the rock stations that we loved, they would play it, 496 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,254 but very sporadically. 497 00:33:11,256 --> 00:33:15,225 We never could get them to play it enough to really make a difference. 498 00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,594 And it would happen every time we'd tell somebody. 499 00:33:17,596 --> 00:33:19,262 They'd say, "Well, what's the name of the band?" 500 00:33:19,264 --> 00:33:20,998 And, you know, we'd kind of... 501 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,632 (SIGHS HEAVILY) 502 00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:27,571 Do one of those and then we'd tell them the name of the band. 503 00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:30,774 And we'd get the same old reaction that we were expecting to get. 504 00:33:31,976 --> 00:33:33,810 You know, rejection. 505 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,356 BOBBY: We ended up having to just kind of get rid of all of our equipment, 506 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:48,358 'cause we needed money at the time. 507 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,461 We gotta bail ourselves out of a number of things. 508 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:53,930 And what happened was, 509 00:33:53,932 --> 00:33:56,433 our distant relative, his name was Donald Knight, 510 00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:59,436 he says, "Well, you know, why don't you guy just come up to New England 511 00:33:59,438 --> 00:34:01,738 "for a couple of weeks, just clear your head?" 512 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:03,373 We didn't even know what he was talking about. 513 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:05,008 We thought he was talking about flying across the Atlantic. 514 00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:07,210 We're like, "New England? What'd you do with the old one?" 515 00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:11,148 We took him up on that offer, because basically there was nothing else 516 00:34:11,150 --> 00:34:12,949 left to do in Detroit. 517 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,909 DANNIS: So we came up here on a two-week vacation, 518 00:34:38,911 --> 00:34:41,945 and we just never went back. 519 00:34:44,549 --> 00:34:46,016 We found apartments, 520 00:34:46,018 --> 00:34:49,086 and then we eventually bought even musical gear. 521 00:34:51,722 --> 00:34:53,690 DANNIS: When we first got to Burlington, 522 00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:57,194 David, he wanted to int-rod the town to the band. 523 00:34:58,896 --> 00:35:00,864 Well, David went down the street. 524 00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:02,232 On each pole, 525 00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:05,001 he put a Death poster. 526 00:35:05,003 --> 00:35:08,605 So I think he had about 500 of them printed up. 527 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:12,142 DANNIS: I mean, the cops must've just went by every pole he was at 528 00:35:12,144 --> 00:35:15,345 and just grabbed them off, 'cause when the cop came to the door, 529 00:35:15,347 --> 00:35:18,915 he said, "This is a peaceful town, 530 00:35:18,917 --> 00:35:21,485 "and we don't have gangs here." 531 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:24,054 That's when I said, "Dave, you better come to the door, man. 532 00:35:24,056 --> 00:35:26,990 "They think you're about to start a street gang." 533 00:35:26,992 --> 00:35:29,392 You know, he says, "No, man, this is a musical group. 534 00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,328 "This is all about music." 535 00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:34,898 He says, "Well, if you wanna get anywhere around here, you'll change that name." 536 00:35:40,071 --> 00:35:43,073 You know, after he left, I just closed the door and I said 537 00:35:43,075 --> 00:35:46,543 "That's it, man. I'm just tired of it." 538 00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:50,814 I'm tired of the rejection, I'm tired of the snide comments. 539 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:53,283 I'm done with it. 540 00:35:53,285 --> 00:35:57,954 BOBBY: We just understood that we tried our best with Death. 541 00:35:57,956 --> 00:36:02,759 We hung in thee from '73 to 19, 542 00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:06,096 dealing with rejection for our name, rejection for our music, 543 00:36:06,098 --> 00:36:08,999 rejection for the fact that we were black and playing rock 'n' roll, 544 00:36:09,001 --> 00:36:11,368 rejection for the fact that our music was too fast, 545 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:14,337 rejection for... So many rejections. 546 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:19,409 DANNIS: David, he felt the rejection as well as we did. I mean, he knew. 547 00:36:19,411 --> 00:36:23,413 I think it was David who came up with the name 4th Movement. 548 00:36:23,415 --> 00:36:27,951 We didn't even listen to the concept or why he came up with the name. 549 00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:31,254 It wasn't Death, so me and Bob was just like, "Yeah, okay. 550 00:36:31,256 --> 00:36:32,455 "That's a good name." 551 00:36:32,457 --> 00:36:36,793 (SONG PLAYING) 552 00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:51,374 We just decided to take our rock 'n' roll sound 553 00:36:51,376 --> 00:36:53,109 and give it a spiritual concept. 554 00:36:53,111 --> 00:36:57,714 (SONG PLAYING) 555 00:37:07,291 --> 00:37:08,592 (LAUGHS) 556 00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:31,281 DANNIS: There was a campus newspaper and the name of the article was, 557 00:37:31,283 --> 00:37:34,484 "Rock 'n' Roll, Hold The Religion, Please." 558 00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:36,820 And they were saying how good the music was, 559 00:37:36,822 --> 00:37:38,922 but how they didn't like the religious 560 00:37:38,924 --> 00:37:40,991 aspects that went along with it. 561 00:37:45,129 --> 00:37:47,964 BOBBY: After all the rejection that we'd been through with Death, 562 00:37:47,966 --> 00:37:50,567 there's this big old article in The Cynic saying, 563 00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:54,337 "Nice music, hold the religion," with our picture by it. 564 00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:57,274 DANNIS: Dave took it really personally, 565 00:37:57,276 --> 00:38:00,744 and I think he had just got fed up with the rejection, too. 566 00:38:00,746 --> 00:38:04,347 That's when the homesick for Detroit thing started to brewing up. 567 00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:06,016 He wanted to go back to Detroit. 568 00:38:06,018 --> 00:38:09,653 He really, literally, wanted to bottle up everything 569 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:13,290 and take it with him, including us. He wanted us to fold up. 570 00:38:13,292 --> 00:38:16,726 But at the time, I mean, I had brought my wife, Tammy. 571 00:38:19,563 --> 00:38:23,800 And she had just had a little baby, little Bobby. 572 00:38:28,906 --> 00:38:32,642 We just didn't wanna pack up and go back to Detroit, you know? 573 00:38:33,611 --> 00:38:36,646 So David went back to Detroit. 574 00:38:46,857 --> 00:38:52,696 Well, I am Heidi Simpson, and David Hackney was my late husband. 575 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,664 Well, let me see. 576 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:57,167 Well, we moved from 577 00:38:58,302 --> 00:39:01,404 Vermont to Detroit in 1982. 578 00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:05,642 He wasn't working at that time. I know that. 579 00:39:05,644 --> 00:39:12,515 He was staying at home and playing his music to himself 580 00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:15,385 and trying to figure out what he wanted to do himself. 581 00:39:15,387 --> 00:39:18,421 He just wasn't no typical working person that, lik, 582 00:39:18,423 --> 00:39:20,323 out there, doin the 9:00 to 5:. 583 00:39:21,325 --> 00:39:23,593 And he was a dreamer. 584 00:39:23,595 --> 00:39:25,628 (CLEARS THROAT) He liked, uh... 585 00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,999 He would sit out on the porcand just look in the... 586 00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:33,203 In the clouds in the sky 587 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:35,805 and make pictures out of the cloud. 588 00:39:42,179 --> 00:39:45,148 (INDISTINCT) 589 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:49,819 BOBBY: We went for about two or three yeas without a guitar player 590 00:39:49,821 --> 00:39:53,123 Yeah, we would practice the same way every day that we always did. 591 00:39:57,528 --> 00:40:01,965 DANNIS: 'Cause we was always on the idea that David would come back. 592 00:40:01,967 --> 00:40:04,567 As time went on, we finally realized, 593 00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:08,571 "Well, maybe Dave's not coming back." 594 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:12,108 So me and Bob stayed here and that's how Lambsbread was born. 595 00:40:12,643 --> 00:40:14,310 (REGGAE PLAYING) 596 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:30,160 BOBBY: We looked at each other and said, "Man, this is a no-brainer" 597 00:40:30,162 --> 00:40:31,694 People love this music. 598 00:40:31,696 --> 00:40:35,231 It's ruled by the bass and drums 599 00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:37,634 and that's all we got right now. 600 00:40:38,969 --> 00:40:42,305 So it was a no-brainer. That's how we gravitated to reggae. 601 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,707 (REGGAE PLAYING) 602 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:52,515 DANNIS: We was able to find ourselves a booking agent 603 00:40:52,517 --> 00:40:55,084 and get on the road as Lambsbread. 604 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,454 (REGGAE PLAYING) 605 00:40:58,255 --> 00:41:00,056 We love you peopl 606 00:41:02,193 --> 00:41:04,894 So somebody say you waa fire up some ganja! 607 00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:09,399 Fire the ganja? 608 00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,871 (SINGING) 609 00:41:24,114 --> 00:41:27,951 DANNIS: And we was actually glad that we had put down the name Death 610 00:41:27,953 --> 00:41:31,754 because we thought, okay, now that we got rid of that, you know, 611 00:41:31,756 --> 00:41:34,390 things are beginning to open up for us. 612 00:41:34,392 --> 00:41:37,794 Let them know it's t. Come on! 613 00:41:37,796 --> 00:41:40,230 DANNIS: That might've rubbed David the wrong way, 614 00:41:40,232 --> 00:41:43,733 'cause at first he didn't really take to the news 615 00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:46,636 that me and Bob was forming a reggae band. 616 00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:54,777 It was like, "Oh, well, those cats done abandoned rock 'n' roll." 617 00:41:54,779 --> 00:41:57,413 No, man, we were sitting back waiting for you to come, 618 00:41:57,415 --> 00:42:01,651 but you didn't come, so we had to busy ourselves with something. 619 00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:04,087 BOBBY: I don't think he was comfortable with the fact that 620 00:42:04,089 --> 00:42:08,191 we traded in our rock 'n' roll for reggae. 621 00:42:08,193 --> 00:42:11,127 You know, in his eyes, we were still Death. 622 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:31,281 BOBBY JR.: When I was young, my father, he was a reggae musician. 623 00:42:31,283 --> 00:42:32,882 As a kid, that's all I knew... 624 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:34,918 I just knew them as reggae musicians. 625 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,020 And I just knew them as Lambsbread. 626 00:42:37,022 --> 00:42:40,123 We did the same thing that our mom and dad did for us. 627 00:42:40,125 --> 00:42:42,559 We just made music available to the. 628 00:42:42,561 --> 00:42:46,663 My Uncle Dannis taught me all the basics of drumming, 629 00:42:46,665 --> 00:42:48,197 which was really awesome. 630 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,500 DANNIS: And I used to bring him behind the drum set, 631 00:42:50,502 --> 00:42:53,336 and I would put a stick in each of his hands 632 00:42:53,338 --> 00:42:56,139 and kind of move his hands for him. 633 00:42:56,141 --> 00:42:58,908 And then when Bob had his other sons... 634 00:43:02,546 --> 00:43:06,382 When they saw how Bobby played the drums, I guess, you know, 635 00:43:06,384 --> 00:43:08,151 all of them wanted to play the drums. 636 00:43:08,153 --> 00:43:11,854 Well, I was always, you know, influenced by my Uncle Dannis and Bobby, 637 00:43:11,856 --> 00:43:14,824 'cause, you know, he always had drums laying around the room 638 00:43:14,826 --> 00:43:16,659 and I kind of caught on to that 639 00:43:16,661 --> 00:43:20,330 Yeah, my dad and uncle, they always had a very strong, 640 00:43:20,332 --> 00:43:22,298 serious musical connection, 641 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,902 and that was something that made a profound impact on m. 642 00:43:25,904 --> 00:43:27,403 Bobby came to me one day and says, 643 00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:30,940 "Hey, man, you're turning all of my sons into drummers." 644 00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,709 (LAUGHS) You know? 645 00:43:37,181 --> 00:43:42,285 My Uncle Dave, he was really my... One of my favorite uncles. 646 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:44,487 And he was just always so crazy 647 00:43:44,489 --> 00:43:47,323 and so out there and so out of the box. 648 00:43:47,325 --> 00:43:50,693 JULIAN: He just had the best sense of humor and the best laugh, 649 00:43:50,695 --> 00:43:52,528 and I used to love talking to him. 650 00:43:52,530 --> 00:43:56,699 You know? 'Cause he was just so lively and so funny, you know? 651 00:43:56,701 --> 00:43:59,102 He was like a child. 652 00:43:59,104 --> 00:44:04,440 BOBBY: The thing that was kind of sad was I never got to see him at his prime. 653 00:44:04,442 --> 00:44:07,543 I only... 'Cause he was... 654 00:44:07,545 --> 00:44:11,080 He really got into the bottle, he really got into alcohol. 655 00:44:11,082 --> 00:44:15,551 So most of the time that I saw him, he was always drunk. 656 00:44:15,553 --> 00:44:17,420 BOBBY: David thought... 657 00:44:17,422 --> 00:44:19,622 He's one of these genius typ, man, you know? 658 00:44:19,624 --> 00:44:23,426 I mean, the demons get to you. You know what I mean? 659 00:44:23,428 --> 00:44:25,895 The demons get to you. 660 00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:29,132 EARL JR.: And David was gonna do what he was gonna do. 661 00:44:31,235 --> 00:44:33,903 And he was hell-bent on that. 662 00:44:33,905 --> 00:44:37,006 And nobody was gonna mess with him. 663 00:44:37,008 --> 00:44:40,643 And the more that people tried to 664 00:44:40,645 --> 00:44:43,846 correct him, if you will, or change him, 665 00:44:44,815 --> 00:44:48,718 the worse it became, okay? 666 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,853 He was a visionary. 667 00:44:50,855 --> 00:44:52,789 He had a plan, 668 00:44:52,791 --> 00:44:57,326 and that plan didn't go through the way he wanted it to. 669 00:44:57,328 --> 00:45:02,965 And I think part of his drinking then was from not being able to 670 00:45:02,967 --> 00:45:06,869 fully express what he wanted to do with his music and his art. 671 00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:13,009 This is part of the diary that David had started, 672 00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:15,311 and he's just talking about, 673 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,349 uh, one day of his life. 674 00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:22,952 "Check the dreams that are in your mind. 675 00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:26,155 "Take a flight to see which ones are really there. 676 00:45:26,157 --> 00:45:29,959 "Open up your eyes and see the paradise of a dream. 677 00:45:29,961 --> 00:45:32,729 "The world we know shall be no more." 678 00:45:34,698 --> 00:45:38,868 That was when David revealed that 679 00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:47,310 his music would not come forth until after he had left this earth. 680 00:45:47,312 --> 00:45:51,881 I think he was just feelinlike he wanted to leave back then. 681 00:45:51,883 --> 00:45:54,117 He always was in another world, l, 682 00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,820 he just kept saying that he didn't wanna be here anymore. 683 00:46:13,036 --> 00:46:16,105 Hendrix. Uh, no, he was never an idol. 684 00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:18,474 He was like an influence to me. 685 00:46:19,476 --> 00:46:21,577 I don't have any idols, 686 00:46:21,579 --> 00:46:23,446 not on this earth. 687 00:46:23,448 --> 00:46:25,782 My idol is Jesus Christ. 688 00:46:25,784 --> 00:46:28,985 I follow him, until the day I die. 689 00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:34,457 And then show me how to get p to the orchestra, you know, 690 00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:37,059 that's gonna play in front of the throne of Go. 691 00:46:37,061 --> 00:46:38,995 That's my destination. 692 00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:41,631 I wanna play 693 00:46:42,399 --> 00:46:44,467 in front of the throne 694 00:46:45,869 --> 00:46:47,537 of Almighty God. 695 00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:59,415 DANNIS: And the last time David was up here, 696 00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,851 the last thing he did, he filmed my wedding. 697 00:47:04,021 --> 00:47:05,855 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 698 00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:10,993 DAVID: All right, we at the church, here. 699 00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:13,029 And this is what it looks like inside. 700 00:47:17,601 --> 00:47:19,402 There go the groom. 701 00:47:20,304 --> 00:47:22,271 (WEDDING MARCH PLAYING) 702 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,208 There go the bride 703 00:47:26,476 --> 00:47:27,944 and her dad. 704 00:47:31,381 --> 00:47:32,748 (DAVID LAUGHS) 705 00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:34,350 Look at Dannis. 706 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,687 DANNIS: I had a conversation with my mother. 707 00:47:37,689 --> 00:47:40,456 She said, "You know what your brother David told me" 708 00:47:40,458 --> 00:47:41,791 I said, "No, what'd he tell you?" 709 00:47:41,793 --> 00:47:43,993 "He said, 'When you get home, 710 00:47:45,729 --> 00:47:48,497 "'get ready to bury one of your sons.'" 711 00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:51,234 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 712 00:47:57,407 --> 00:48:00,943 And we noticed that he was frail 713 00:48:00,945 --> 00:48:03,079 and that he didn't look that good. 714 00:48:03,081 --> 00:48:05,181 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 715 00:48:05,183 --> 00:48:06,749 Hey, man. Hey, man. 716 00:48:06,751 --> 00:48:09,485 (LAUGHS) 717 00:48:09,487 --> 00:48:11,654 BOBBY: And we asked him, you know, "Is everything okay?" 718 00:48:11,656 --> 00:48:13,756 And he never said nothing to anybody. He... 719 00:48:13,758 --> 00:48:16,459 "Yeah, everything's okay. Everything's... I'm all right. I'm all right." 720 00:48:16,461 --> 00:48:17,760 (MUSIC PLAYING) 721 00:48:17,762 --> 00:48:20,830 I just wanted to say these words, 722 00:48:20,832 --> 00:48:23,799 'cause me and my brothe Dannis have been throug heaven together, 723 00:48:23,801 --> 00:48:25,334 we've been throug hell together, 724 00:48:25,336 --> 00:48:28,971 we've been down in the ditc we've been on the heights. 725 00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:31,407 We've got a great career as musician726 00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:36,045 and we're well-respected here in the community and we thank God for that. 727 00:48:36,047 --> 00:48:39,115 DANNIS: But before Dave left my weddi, 728 00:48:39,117 --> 00:48:42,151 he brought all the Death mas tapes 729 00:48:42,153 --> 00:48:43,686 and told Bob to hold them. 730 00:48:43,688 --> 00:48:47,290 He says, "One day the world's gonna come looking for this, 731 00:48:47,292 --> 00:48:49,492 "and I know that you will keep them." 732 00:48:53,096 --> 00:48:54,297 (INAUDIBLE) 733 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,734 BOBBY: And I say, "Dave, I have enough tapes. 734 00:48:58,736 --> 00:49:00,136 "I got enough of our stuff, man." 735 00:49:00,138 --> 00:49:02,571 He says, "No." He says, "You gotta keep these." 736 00:49:02,573 --> 00:49:04,707 He says, "The world's gonna come looking for the Death stuff." 737 00:49:04,709 --> 00:49:06,175 And he says, "I know that you'll have it 738 00:49:06,177 --> 00:49:07,576 "when they come looking for it." 739 00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:18,254 That was when he told us, he says, "Man, when y'all make it with this music," 740 00:49:18,256 --> 00:49:20,790 he says, "I'm not gonna be with you guys." 741 00:49:27,164 --> 00:49:29,632 DANNIS: When I hugged David before he lef 742 00:49:29,634 --> 00:49:33,002 David let me know that I wasn't gonna see him again. 743 00:49:47,017 --> 00:49:50,619 BOBBY: And then after he got back ho, a few months later, 744 00:49:50,621 --> 00:49:53,089 we got a call fro our brother Earl. 745 00:49:55,225 --> 00:49:58,294 You know, Earl said to me... 746 00:50:01,498 --> 00:50:03,599 He said, "He's dying, Bob." 747 00:50:05,168 --> 00:50:06,535 (SOBBING) 748 00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:13,943 I remember that so well, like it was yesterday. 749 00:50:15,412 --> 00:50:16,746 I mean... 750 00:50:19,249 --> 00:50:22,551 "What do you mean David's dying?" 751 00:50:22,553 --> 00:50:27,456 David had a pretty advanced cigarette habit 752 00:50:27,458 --> 00:50:32,795 that eventually ended up taking a toll on his life. 753 00:50:32,797 --> 00:50:37,767 He says, "Yeah, Bob," he says, "he's got full-blown lung cancer." 754 00:50:37,769 --> 00:50:39,835 And that just floored me. 755 00:50:40,971 --> 00:50:44,273 Once he hit intensive care, man, it was... 756 00:50:44,275 --> 00:50:45,608 (EXHALES) 757 00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:48,878 It was all over. 758 00:50:52,182 --> 00:50:53,616 David died, 759 00:50:54,951 --> 00:50:56,619 uh, 760 00:50:56,621 --> 00:50:58,888 day after my wife's birthday. 761 00:51:00,524 --> 00:51:02,591 Tammy's birthday is on the 8th of October, 762 00:51:02,593 --> 00:51:05,327 and I think David died on the 9th. 763 00:51:13,804 --> 00:51:16,839 I just put the ts in a safe place. 764 00:51:18,375 --> 00:51:20,443 I didn't think about them. 765 00:51:22,212 --> 00:51:24,747 I was thinking too much about David. 766 00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:35,958 DANNIS: When I eventually went to David's funeral in Detroi, 767 00:51:36,626 --> 00:51:38,360 I thought that, 768 00:51:38,362 --> 00:51:42,064 "I guess the Death thing is just gone with Dave." 769 00:51:50,073 --> 00:51:54,743 EARL JR.: David's dream and the thing that he always said was consistent 770 00:51:54,745 --> 00:51:56,145 from day one. 771 00:51:56,147 --> 00:52:00,549 And he never wavered in the story, nor his dream. 772 00:52:00,551 --> 00:52:03,886 And so, yes, he did carry that all the way up till the end. 773 00:52:03,888 --> 00:52:08,157 My wife used to say that Dave was Dave when he was playing his guitar. 774 00:52:11,795 --> 00:52:17,266 If you wanted to see the real Dave, you gotta catch him playing his guitar. 775 00:52:17,268 --> 00:52:20,169 BOBBY: You know, David continued to write beautiful music, 776 00:52:20,171 --> 00:52:22,471 right on up until he die. 777 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:27,576 This right here 778 00:52:28,178 --> 00:52:30,212 is, um, 779 00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:32,915 the last record that David made 780 00:52:33,683 --> 00:52:35,684 before he died. 781 00:52:35,686 --> 00:52:39,755 And, as you can see, his nickname was Rough Francis. 782 00:52:39,757 --> 00:52:43,058 You know, the name of the song is I'd Be Your Doggie. 783 00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:46,462 And then it was backed by a song called 784 00:52:46,464 --> 00:52:48,330 We're Gonna Make I. 785 00:52:52,269 --> 00:52:55,738 And you know who plays on this? David did recruit, 786 00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:59,275 uh, myself and Dannis to help him 787 00:52:59,277 --> 00:53:01,844 on the tracks on this. 788 00:53:01,846 --> 00:53:04,713 So, you know, this is kind of like 789 00:53:05,882 --> 00:53:09,518 the last time that we really got together 790 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,387 and made a recording. 791 00:53:12,255 --> 00:53:17,326 (SINGING) 792 00:53:28,972 --> 00:53:34,109 "Now the way that it's been, we've seen thick and thin, and dark days all around us." 793 00:53:34,111 --> 00:53:35,311 Um... 794 00:53:36,646 --> 00:53:40,015 "But now that it's over, let our love grow stronger. 795 00:53:41,418 --> 00:53:43,485 "Don't you cry now, 796 00:53:44,287 --> 00:53:45,988 "we're gonna make it. 797 00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:48,791 "Don't you cry now, we're gonna make it." 798 00:53:48,793 --> 00:53:51,327 I think that says it all. 799 00:53:51,329 --> 00:53:54,663 We stuck together through thick and thin for 22 years. 800 00:53:56,032 --> 00:53:57,700 (SOBBING) 801 00:53:57,702 --> 00:54:00,803 (SONG PLAYING) 802 00:54:30,734 --> 00:54:32,134 (CABLE CAR RUMBLING) 803 00:54:36,806 --> 00:54:41,243 Talk about record collecting, he says. Well, you go by hunches. 804 00:54:41,245 --> 00:54:43,145 I mean, I found this in a thrift store. 805 00:54:43,147 --> 00:54:46,115 Glenn Schwartz and the All Saved Freak Band, 806 00:54:46,117 --> 00:54:47,983 with a brain on the cover. 807 00:54:47,985 --> 00:54:50,452 I thought, "How can I not take this home?" 808 00:54:50,454 --> 00:54:54,757 And here's my favorite Christian ventriloquist, 809 00:54:54,759 --> 00:54:56,925 Marcy and Little Marcy. 810 00:54:56,927 --> 00:55:00,329 Don Bolles, formerly of the Germs, actually tracked her down 811 00:55:00,331 --> 00:55:02,831 and got one of the dolls a while back. 812 00:55:02,833 --> 00:55:06,502 Robbie The Werewolf is sort of self-explanatory. 813 00:55:06,504 --> 00:55:09,338 This is a regular old lounge guy, but... 814 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:12,574 (LAUGHS) 815 00:55:12,576 --> 00:55:15,344 Somebody to haunt you in your dreams. 816 00:55:15,346 --> 00:55:19,948 Anyway, so when I saw the Death record, the single, 817 00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:23,152 Politicians In My Eyes, pop up on this one guy's list, 818 00:55:23,154 --> 00:55:24,720 buried in everything else. 819 00:55:24,722 --> 00:55:26,889 The "Northern Soul," as they call it, 820 00:55:26,891 --> 00:55:28,123 for ridiculous amounts of money. 821 00:55:28,125 --> 00:55:29,325 And there was this little record, 822 00:55:29,327 --> 00:55:31,193 Politicians In My Eyes, and I thought, 823 00:55:31,195 --> 00:55:33,462 "This looks interesting." 824 00:55:38,068 --> 00:55:40,669 I was interviewing Jello Biafra 825 00:55:40,671 --> 00:55:43,138 for a book that some friends of mine were writing 826 00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:45,974 about the history of band T-shirts. 827 00:55:45,976 --> 00:55:49,011 I know that Jello's a really huge punk collector. 828 00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:51,213 And this collector friend of mine said, 829 00:55:51,215 --> 00:55:53,949 "Jello supposedly has a box of the Death single." 830 00:55:56,252 --> 00:55:57,886 And I said, "What's the Death single?" 831 00:55:57,888 --> 00:56:01,023 He's like, "Oh, man, it's this all-black punk band from Detroit 832 00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:02,858 "and it's super hard to find." 833 00:56:06,963 --> 00:56:12,134 Das was a guy that I'd seen coming into the record store often. 834 00:56:12,136 --> 00:56:14,036 He never talked. He was always very quiet. 835 00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:15,604 But he would buy really cool records. 836 00:56:15,606 --> 00:56:18,207 "I got a record you might be interested in. I'll just give you a copy. 837 00:56:18,209 --> 00:56:21,977 "It's friends of mine that I knew back when I was... 838 00:56:21,979 --> 00:56:23,979 "You know, just got out of college." 839 00:56:23,981 --> 00:56:26,648 So I gave him a brand-new copy of the Death record and he just like, 840 00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:28,016 "Where'd you get that?" 841 00:56:28,018 --> 00:56:31,720 He says, "Hey, you know, my friends gave me these 45s, 842 00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:34,323 "and, uh, they told me to give them out to help promote their band, 843 00:56:34,325 --> 00:56:36,358 "and I never really got them out there. 844 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,093 "But, you know, it's never too late. 845 00:56:38,095 --> 00:56:40,496 "So, you know, if you could take these home and give these a listen... 846 00:56:40,498 --> 00:56:41,997 "These guys were friends of mine." 847 00:56:43,633 --> 00:56:48,036 BOBBY: Don Schwenk, we met in 19, 848 00:56:48,038 --> 00:56:52,141 when we were releasing those Death 45. 849 00:56:52,143 --> 00:56:56,278 And David had commissioned Don to do the artwork. 850 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,748 And he wanted a triangle in the clouds. 851 00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:01,683 But, you know, of course, they never had the money 852 00:57:01,685 --> 00:57:03,185 to follow through on any of the stuff, 853 00:57:03,187 --> 00:57:05,554 so, basically, I did all this artwork for them, 854 00:57:05,556 --> 00:57:08,490 but they couldn't pay me, so they traded me records. 855 00:57:08,492 --> 00:57:09,691 That's what happened. 856 00:57:11,528 --> 00:57:16,298 So now I got these clean copies of the Death 45 from Das. 857 00:57:18,001 --> 00:57:21,503 I left one on the counter here, and Ben Blackwell took that. 858 00:57:22,572 --> 00:57:25,674 So this 7-inch, it's a limited press, 859 00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:28,844 it's Detroit, it's punk rock, it's hard to find 860 00:57:28,846 --> 00:57:30,345 and not a lot of people know about it. 861 00:57:30,347 --> 00:57:32,548 I mean, this hits all of my checklist, 862 00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:34,483 you know, this is something meant for me. 863 00:57:34,485 --> 00:57:35,784 So there it is, 864 00:57:35,786 --> 00:57:37,886 Politicians In My Eyes, which is the A-side, 865 00:57:37,888 --> 00:57:41,023 and, uh, Keep On Knocking, which is the B-side. 866 00:57:42,725 --> 00:57:45,594 Later that night, another record collector 867 00:57:46,596 --> 00:57:49,031 told me the value of the record. 868 00:57:4